Talk:Berliner (doughnut)

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spoken part[edit]

Please someone redo the spoken part, the accent is terrible. I'm German and this is just ridiculous, I never heard such a terrible accent in my life. Maybe in RtCW, but stuff like that shouldn't be published. -- 12:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not even a german accent, I suppose someone found this funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 22:40, 12 November 2005

Pączki, Berliner (pastry) and Sufganiyah[edit]

there are different entries for Pączki, Berliner (pastry) and Sufganiyah, when all three are exactly the same. Maybe some unification is due, I'll at least add links below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 11:01, 14 December 2005

Merged content from Bismarck_(doughnut)[edit]

I merged in the content from that page. Actually, everything important was here already.

Really, it's just another name, not especially notable and in fact not one I ever heard (and I live in that country). --R. Wolff 18:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And the thing isn't a pastry.


Should something be included about JFK saying, "Ich bin ein Berliner?" I would have thought that was noteworthy 18:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, in this caes he was refering himself to be one of the citizen of Berlin, and not the food!

It's a well known running gag though, and perhaps should be included in a trivia section. It even gets mentioned outside of Germany, with people saying things like "Did you know that JFK said that he was a doughnut when he said he was a Berliner?". Personally i have enountered this several times.

see [1] for details about this urban legend. I do think, however, we should mention that a famous urban legend circulated that people construed JFK as calling himself a jelly doughnut. Valley2city 15:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

?? - I think it is ONLY mentioned outside Germany - every time you hear in the German media about the history of Berlin between 1945 and 1970 or every time you hear in German media about JFK for more than 15 minutes, you will hear about this famous and important speech and this sentence (the original wording was a conjuctive, as far as I know: "I would be proud, if I can say "Ich bin ein Berliner"", or similar) - but in the context in Germany you will really never think about that this sentence is interpreted as "jelly doughnut". More confusing: the citizens of Berlin cannot understand it in this way, because in Berlin this jelly doughnut is called "Pfannkuchen" (pancake), traditionally. (In southern parts of Germany it is called "Krapfen", only in northern parts (without Berlin) it is called "Berliner". I have no quotation to prove this.) Plehn (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is the proof: Plehn (talk) 17:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]


What's with the mention of Manitoba? It looks like something was said there and then cut out. Thnidu (talk) 22:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This went wrong on January 21, when someone tried to fix an equally weird sentence. De728631 (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I know its definitely a minor issue but in most of Italy (centre and south) this is caled "bomba" or "bombolone" (Tuscany) and not "krapfen". —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Berliner named "Bismark"??[edit]

I live for 45 years in Germany and have lived for 17 years in Berlin - but I have never heard that the Berliner or "Pfannkuchen" is called "Bismark" - it should be removed unless there is a good source. Plehn (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Berliner" is not a "Berliner" in Berlin! It`s just a "Pfannekuchen" - " pan - cake " —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Berliner" is not a "Berliner" in Berlin! It`s just a "Pfannekuchen" - " pan - cake " —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

20 years ago "Bismarcks" were sold at a place called Joe's Bakery in Lawrence, Kansas (USA, not Canada). --ペーター (talk) 14:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)"Reply[reply]

FWIW, where I live on the west coast (USA), I grew up hearing the custard-filled ganache-covered variety called "Bismarks", while the jelly-filled varieties we just called "jelly doughnuts". --H-ko (Talk) 23:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have lived for 28 years in Ontario, between Ottawa and Toronto, I've travelled extensively and never heard a Bavarian Cream doughnut called a "Bismark" anywhere - this should be removed unless it can be verified at present. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have lived in Illinois for 56 years as well as Berlin for two years. I had never heard of a jelly doghnut being called a Berliner until I moved to Berlin where they don't call them that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bismarck, iced bun, UK[edit]

Bismarck (doughnut) redirects to this article. In the [UK] I've come across a few bakeries which sell a large iced bun containing currents and marzipan vaguely reminiscent of a [stollen] under the name "bismarck". If anyone who comes across this post knows anymore about this I would love to know and will add the information to [iced bun].Pete the pitiless (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]


In Baden-Württemberg (and the southern Hessia), we use Kreppel for a Berliner WITHOUT jelly. We do use "Berliner" for the jelly one. -- (talk) 18:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maybe in Baden-Württemberg but in Hesse and adjoining regions, it's called a Kreppel regardless of wether it contains jelly. Str1977 (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Traditional Pfannkuchen from Berlin[edit]

Added some informations abouth the traditional recipes. My father was a pastry chef and made thousands of them, and for sure not the industrial made crap you can buy today around the year at any place selling food. ReinickendorferFuchs (talk) 09:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The original doughnut has no filling with marmelade and no poudersugar, just simple cristallsugar--2A02:908:1571:FF20:5CCF:3FBD:7F52:C5DC (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cream-Filled Bismarcks[edit]

This article states: "In Ontario and the prairie western provinces of Canada, as well as parts of the Midwest and West in the US, such a round jelly- or custard-filled doughnut is commonly called a "bismark" or "bismarck"..." Besides being just horrible English (sounds like it was written by some committee - we need to include x, also y, and maybe z too - typical wikiland garbage), it sort of appears that someone wants jelly donuts to be called bismarcks. Sorry, at least in all places that I've ever lived, bismarcks can only refer to creme filled donuts (if then, generally a creme-filled donut is called a cream-filled donut) - a jelly-filled donut is well a jelly donut. A bismarck it will never be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JFK again[edit]

Should we add the following content in article's "see also" section?

Ich bin ein Berliner, a famous speech by John F. Kennedy

Or as suggested in previous JFK section, we can add the incident explicitly clarifying it was urban legend outside Germany. All over the world except Germany. —usernamekiran[talk] 11:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indefinite Articles[edit]

In my German classes, I was taught that when stating your national origin, occupations, etc. that using an indefinite article is incorrect. Therefore "Ich bin ein Berliner" is distinctly different from "Ich bin Berliner" because in one you're stating where you're from/who you are and the other you are saying you are an object.

Your German classes taught you wrongly. While putting an article in front such a term is uncommon in some parts of Germany (and people from there might derive joy from picking on such "mistakes") it is commoon in other parts. Str1977 (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unsupported claim[edit]

I'm not sure why the article is under a German name for this pastry since it has English names. But beyond that, the claim "'In Anglo-America, the most common term for the jam- or jelly-filled pastry is "jelly doughnut"' is not supported by a reference. Can any-one give a citation (or a counter-citation with an accompanying change in the text)? I never heard this name in the parts of the States I've been in. Kdammers (talk) 04:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In the same vein, I've lived in Ontario for 30 of my 40 years and never once heard anyone call a doughnut a "Bismarck". It's referred to as a jelly doughnut, except the Boston Cream, which is custard-filled and glazed with chocolate. To your first point though, should Spaghetti be renamed to or merged with Noodles on that basis? This doughnut style originated in Berlin, thus the name. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:B1A3:9953:ED4:E0FF (talk) 06:21, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is a difference between a foreign word like baguette or spaghetti that has been incorporated into English and one like Berliner, which has not. Whether 'Spaghetti' should be merged Noodles or Pasta -- as opposed to being renamed -- it depends on the quantity of information. "Spaghetti" refers to a specific kind of noodle and the dish made there-from, so it obviously should not be renamed Noodles. Kdammers (talk) 07:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Since there is disagreement about whether a biskmar(c)k is a donut/doughnut or not, can we change the title (if it has to be 'Berliner,' which is a German word rather than an English one) to include '(pastry),' rather than the contentious '(doughnut)'? When I am in Germany, I speak German and call it a Berliner; when I am in America (Chicagoland), I call it a bismar(c)k and the sales-person knows exactly what I want. Kdammers (talk) 07:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Use English speaking countries[edit]

I don't mean to get into and edit war about this as it's only a doughnut, but having modified the statement about Berliner meaning a jam doughnut in English speaking countries I was asked to cite my source. I'm not sure how I'm meant to be able to cite a negative thing (I can find you thousands of references to doughnuts that don't call them berliners but not one that does) I would have thought it's up to the person making the claim about what a berliner is in English speaking countries is, I note that they do not. Like every British native English speaker I know, the first time that I heard of a berliner was the JFK urban legend reference.

I therefore deleted the statement to increase the accuracy, but that was reverted. I therefore have included a citation needed tag as to be clear I have never heard a jam doughnut referred to as a berliner, I'm sure they are somewhere but I feel it's more of an exception than a rule thing. (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]